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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Dec 17, 2010 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Least Favorite Live Release

I own about half the Dicks Picks and a decent amount of other releases. My pick would be DP#9 9-16-90 MSG. I've tried to listen to it and end up going with something else. I think Hornsby is pretty annoying on it and the playing just seems average. I ended up with this at a other ones show where I asked for the Harpur college and they gave me this by mistake. I didn't notice till I was in the lot. Still don't have the Harpur show except on tape.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 17, 2010 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Ah, glad to see so much "love" (hate) for SYFace or Steal Your Money as we termed it in 76. We were deeply disappointed at the time, and remain so...for reasons given above.

Will say that some have risen to its defence over the yrs here at the Forum when I've said this, but looks like the current folk are in agreement on this one.

Truth be told, though, I am thinking exclusively of the "real" commercial releases as I don't know the post 75 DPs and such to comment.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Dec 19, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Strangely I like Steal Your Face, although the vocals do have that weird moofly tone... but the performances are good, IMO.


I think the worst official live release was 'Dead Set.'

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 19, 2010 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I can see that choice as well...

Hey, SCB--have a great Holiday if we don't cross paths again; I am doing "it" one poster at a time rather than the ol' communal effort that taxed my memory...a man's got to know his limitations.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Dec 19, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

That makes sense, and happy hols back at ya! :) I tried a communal greetings, above. It may sink like a stone, but I put a cool pic, at least...

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Dec 17, 2010 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

DP 13 for me. I've said it a hundred times.... Compared to other shows of 1981, this one sucks

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Poster: WillCo Date: Dec 17, 2010 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Steal Your Face, which appeared in 1976.

Live Dead! Anthem of the Sun!! Skulls and Roses!!! Europe 72!!!! Those live bootlegs!!!!! All testifying on vinyl to the majesty of live Grateful Dead.

And then what should appear, as a horribly-recorded monument to the memory of the no-longer-touring Grateful Dead, but the following:

Side 1. Promised Land; Cold Rain and Snow; Around and Around.
Side 2. Mississippi Half-Step; Ship Of Fools; Beat It On Down The Line.
Side 3. Big River; Black Throated Wind; U.S. Blues; El Paso.
Side 4. Sugaree; It Must Have Been The Roses; Casey Jones

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 18, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

"Steal Your Money" was especially dissapointing , as the previous live albums , had been so awesome , In the pre-easy access to tapes era, it was nice to get live versions of some of their standards . I still like the slow "Cold Rain", here .
But no jamming, really hurt it .
"Dead Set" might be my winner for least listened Dead live album .
"Without a Net" never worked for me but , then I was in the era where you could get the tapes fairly easy .
I like most of the archival releases , with a preference for the pre 80's stuff .

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Poster: imissJG Date: Dec 18, 2010 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I can`t believe,you dont care for"Without a Net!"...it surely has some of the GD`s best late`80s-90s music thats been released....The"China>Rider"alone is timeless....along with"LLR,Althea,Eyes,Help>Slip>Frank and Mr.Fantasy"...its a doozy!!

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 19, 2010 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Individually, I like some of the tracks, for sure ; but I just never played it much .
Same goes for the "Dozing At The Knick" set .

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Dec 17, 2010 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Yup,

Ol "Steal your Face" was a royal turd! Apparently the Dead were under contract with United Artist's to deliver a live album. Add to the mix their cynicism having their own label at that time, and considering the mountain of analog tape treasures in the Vault, one can assume it was their intent to deliver this underwhelming performance.

DP 20 9/25/76 - 9/28/76 just never understood this release compared to all of the great 1976 performances attended and listened to here at Archive. Pissed me off for dropping coin on this one.

View from the Vault Vol #1 Pittsburgh 7/08/90 with all the wonderful Video's in their Vault from 1989 - 1990 a better performance would have been an easy choice.

View from the Vault #2 RFK 6/14/91 guess they chose this as a historical perspective showcasing Bruce & Vinny. I have a difficult time tapping my foot to this one.

Rocking the Cradle Egypt 1978? I like to refer to this as the $35 Looks Like Rain, questionable video quality, mediocre short performance as Jerry and Phil are trying to keep Keith awake, two or three reasonable songs, add to the mix, once again, to get the DVD, you had to buy the CD's?

Speaking of Video's and DVD's, perhaps the good folks at Rhino could drop the "unknown" Road Trips subscription nonsense and release a few more choice DVD's?

1972 - 1977 - 1978 - 1988 - 1989 - 1990 any ideas?



This post was modified by dark.starz on 2010-12-17 22:40:43

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Poster: imissJG Date: Dec 18, 2010 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

well...going on how some people chose...I would have to say"Europe`72"...simply because..the`70s!...thats all i ever hear,most all DP`s are early`80s and before and Sirius GD channel constantly plays it!....But for real...I haven`t a problem with any `live`release...they`re all GREAT!.....need more `90s releases,IMO!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 17, 2010 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

i'm also with you on DP #9. i listen to most of them regularly and i can NEVER get through that one...its a total snooze.

i know many will disagree, but i think the show on Dick's Picks #24 (3/23/74) is VERY overrated. while there are some nice moments in the 2nd set (particularly the 1st Playin') and a solid Weather Report Suite, i find most of it, especially the 1st set, rather perfunctory.
add that Garcia is having a rare off night on guitar (the China Cat makes me cringe) and i think it's one of the weakest DPs, which is ironic given that '74 is probably their best year.

i find volumes 21 and 27 to be rather weak as well, but that should come as no surprise since their from '85 and '92, and as Cliff would say, there's not really much going on here

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Poster: agl89 Date: Dec 17, 2010 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

For me it's Egypt 78'. Could never really get into it.

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Poster: wineland Date: Dec 17, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I checked out Egypt at the library and was not impressed.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 17, 2010 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Steal Your Face

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 19, 2010 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

The JGB live release "how sweet it is" was a huge disappointment to me.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I agree wholeheartedly. I bought it used for 1/2 price and still feel it wasn't a good deal. In fact, if someone wants to trade 1967-10-22 for it I would be happy to oblige.

TOOTMO

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 17, 2010 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

12/26/79,outside of a good FOTD contains nothing else worth listening to.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 18, 2010 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Except that I was there...that was our usual "Christmas to NY run" except that now it was in OAK rather than Winterland...that was one of the first shows my wife and I went to...both sides of the family as well. 25 or so of us in all.

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Poster: pdm59 Date: Dec 17, 2010 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

Singular defense of SYF. After living down the hall from some NY heads I picked up SYF. This was about 6 months before my first show in 79. To my everlasting delight they played 3/4 of tunes on SYF that night. So the 1st show was full of music I had heard. It really felt like they were saying "Hey new guy here is a show for just for you."

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Poster: justhopp77 Date: Dec 18, 2010 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I like the Casey Jones on Steal Yr Face, it's prob my fave version, least it's not cut like on the Grateful Dead movie soundtrack.

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Poster: face of space Date: Dec 18, 2010 10:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

The Other One from DP 5 is one of my favorites and it's my fav song.

For me SYF is the worst. Hard to believe that the same Winterland 74 shows had such great stuff. Wish they woulda put out music from the companion DVD to GD Movie.

Guess they weren't interested in selling records at that time.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Dec 19, 2010 4:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I always thought Dead Set was pretty lame. Almost any of the recordings I had from shows then were more enjoyable than that album when it came out.

Reckoning on the other hand was sublime.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 17, 2010 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

That's easy. "Steal Your Face"- Muddy sound; questionable song selection; less than stellar run of shows, conspicuous absence of jamming.

It was the one Dead album I didn't even bother replacing when I was slowly converting from vying to CDs in the 90s, and its been rendered more or less obsolete by the much more expansive Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack taken from the same run of shows.

The DP from '83 (either 5 or 6) and anything from the 90s are also strong contenders.



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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Dec 17, 2010 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

I should have guessed SYF but I don't own it and have avoided it. Someday I hope to own all the albums on vinyl so that may be #1 but I think I would take bad 74 over ok 90 anyday. The Eygpt release is a far away second for me. I wish the shakedown made the dvd and at least you get to see Bill Walton and everyone ride around on camels.
Bear on SYF: This is one I would just as soon forget. The master tapes were a disaster of epic proportions, requiring a complete over dubbing of all the vocals and many of the instrumental tracks. I had absolutely nothing to do with the recording of the master tapes, and was called in to try and "fix" it. Phil Lesh and I were only given 18 days to rebuild this "titanic". Fact is, of course, no one could make a silk purse out of this pig's ear.
Does anyone know why the sound on this is so bad when the movie sound is killer?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 17, 2010 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

the 09-25-1991 release, got it as a gift, gave it one listen...

I rarely listen to 10-14-1983...and I honestly can't tell you when I last listened to the 11-01-1985 release, which I found to be very over-rated...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Dec 18, 2010 12:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Least Favorite Live Release

none. I love all Greatful Dead. all...